{"id":16972,"date":"2021-10-13T05:00:12","date_gmt":"2021-10-13T09:00:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/?p=16972"},"modified":"2022-08-03T13:09:46","modified_gmt":"2022-08-03T17:09:46","slug":"alice-kaltman","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/the-bull-interview\/alice-kaltman\/","title":{"rendered":"Alice Kaltman"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>As you might\u2019ve heard, Jonathan Franzen\u2019s back at it with his latest novel about suburban angst and ennui.<\/p>\n<p>Save your money.<\/p>\n<p>Buy <em>Dawg Towne<\/em> by Alice Kaltman instead.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s Jonathan Franzen for people who don\u2019t want to feel that queasiness down in your gut when you finish reading Jonathan Franzen (no matter if you like him or despise him).<\/p>\n<p>Sure, <em>Dawg Towne<\/em> is all that suburban angst and ennui, but it\u2019s also got a beating heart.<\/p>\n<p>Kaltman manages to pull off that most difficult literary feat: she writes unflinchingly about largely unlikeable characters but with an eye for the tiny moments that might make them redeemable (and more importantly, <em>human<\/em>).<\/p>\n<p>It is no wonder that Kaltman\u2019s day job is marriage counseling. She knows these characters at their best and worst while withholding judgement.<\/p>\n<p>Told from the perspective of six different characters (as well as several vignettes narrated by Towne itself), Kaltman\u2019s novel is a juggling act making each section\u2014each character\u2019s arc\u2014stand alone, but also weaved together seamlessly in a way that makes us keep reading to see how Kaltman will bring all these lives together.<\/p>\n<p>Extensively about a small suburban town called Towne, Kaltman\u2019s novel is a treatise on the existential crises of the inconsequential.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s about an awkward former child prodigy turned dog thief.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s about a mediocre novelist turned stay-at-home dad only to ignore his writing and often his son in favor of masturbating and watching soccer.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s the broke-down celebrity having moved out of Hollywood looking for redemption in a homely middle-aged divorcee\u2014the complete opposite of the barbie doll sexpots he usually hooks up with.<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile there\u2019s said homely middle-aged divorcee who uses sex with said broke-down celebrity to get the job redecorating his house.<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, meanwhile, there\u2019s the kid of said middle-aged divorcee who is trying to figure out if he\u2019s gay or straight, male or female but is for certain that neither of his parents gets it or gets him.<\/p>\n<p><em>Dawg Towne<\/em> is about the shame, guilt, depression, humor, humiliation, and frustration of living every tedious day under the confines of Every Suburb, USA.<\/p>\n<p>Oh, and by the way, Kaltman writes the shit out of these characters.<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-16976\" src=\"http:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/dog-towne.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"177\" height=\"284\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/dog-towne.jpeg 177w, https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/dog-towne-93x150.jpeg 93w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 177px) 100vw, 177px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Imagine Franzen at his best, but then imagine he\u2019s not a complete dick, and that\u2019s Kaltman.<\/p>\n<p>With <em>Dawg Towne<\/em>, she proves that even largely irredeemable people can be redeemed under the right circumstances and from the right point of view, which is something that we all need these days in these times.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>BKD: <\/strong>So you\u2019ve spoken about your background in professional dancing before, but I was wondering how you would compare the feelings you get from writing versus dancing?<\/p>\n<p>I spent most of my youth playing basketball 24\/7 and wanting to do nothing else but play basketball. My playing days long gone, I find that it\u2019s taken me a very long time to come to terms with the idea that writing can be emotionally fulfilling\u2014even addictive at times\u2014but it\u2019s never quite the same as making that shot or winning the game.<\/p>\n<p><strong>AK:<\/strong> First off, I can\u2019t tell you how much I love this question. I think about the similarities between choreography and writing all the time. One of the things I\u2019m most drawn to in other people\u2019s work is the innate rhythm of their passages. I want each sentence to do its own little jig. I want each paragraph to be a tango. Plot and character and flow need to be there too, but for me, it don\u2019t mean a thing if it ain\u2019t got that swing. It\u2019s what I strive for in my own work. Cobbling together steps, cobbling together words.<\/p>\n<p>I totally relate to what you\u2019re saying about not getting the same charge from writing as from playing basketball. I think any writer who\u2019s had or has a deeply engrossing physical life via sports or performing arts would agree. That instant connection with an audience or teammates, the mind-body connection, the endorphins, the oneness. There\u2019s nothing like it. But so ephemeral, yeah? Writing is much more of a slog. An engrossing and deeply meaningful pursuit with lasting impact, but still, a slog.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>BKD: <\/strong>So no shade to cat owners here (and I grew up with cats along with dogs), but it seems to me that dogs tend to end up in literary fiction much more than cats.<\/p>\n<p>As one author who constantly writes about dogs to another author who constantly writes about dogs, what do you think it is about dogs that lends itself to great fiction?<\/p>\n<p><strong>AK:<\/strong> Another question I love. And no shade thrown here either, but as sexy and furry and graceful as they can be, I see most cats as cool observers lurking on the periphery, watching us flawed and stupid humans. If they could use their paws effectively on a keyboard, we would be characters in their tell-all memoirs and scathing novels. I\u2019ve met many a cat I\u2019ve admired, even loved, but fuck if I know what they\u2019ve really thought of me.<\/p>\n<p>If cats are our judges, dogs are our accomplices. Dogs are more transparent in their emotional states, and so human-focused. Impulse driven, goofy, slobbering fools. Cuddly little weirdos. Growling, scary beasts\u2014when often really just scared themselves. Can you tell I love dogs? Even if we don\u2019t really know exactly what they\u2019re feeling, we get the gist. They need us and we need them, which makes them super interesting subjects for our fiction.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>BKD: <\/strong>I first got to know <em>DT<\/em> through your <a href=\"http:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/fiction\/stages-of-man\/\">short story \u201cStages of Man,\u201d<\/a> which is included as part of the novel. I love the way you work with vignettes throughout <em>DT<\/em>, how each section can really stand on its own but also each section builds upon and plays on the implications of the previous.<\/p>\n<p>I know that in the past you\u2019ve spoken about outlining your books and stories before you write them, but with this one you kind of just went with it.<\/p>\n<p>What was this process like for you? Is it something that will change the way you write in the future?<\/p>\n<p><strong>AK:<\/strong> Writing <em>DT<\/em> was a most unusual experience. Probably not one I\u2019ll repeat. I had no idea where I was going. All I had was the concept: \u201cWhat would happen if all these characters, some of whom have appeared in previous stories and with whom I\u2019m not quite done with, all lived in the same town and suddenly lost their dogs?\u201d I kept writing each character forward in short sections, with no outline or real end in sight, braiding their storylines like six strands of endless thread, never knowing when I\u2019d finally cut and knot the whole lot. It was not a time-efficient way to write a book. If I ever write another novel, I\u2019m going back to outlining. Give me a road map. Beginning, middle and end, please; even if I decide to change routes along the way.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>BKD:<\/strong> One of the things I love most about your writing in general, but especially with <em>DT<\/em> is how you manage to write about very flawed, often unlikeable characters (at least on the surface) while still managing to maintain a true heart and optimism for redemption.<\/p>\n<p>As someone who writes pretty dark stories that don\u2019t offer much redemption, I was wondering how you manage the balance of \u201cearned\u201d redemption versus letting your characters off easy?<\/p>\n<p><strong>AK:<\/strong> I guess it is easy for me to find redemption in even the most cracked and damaged souls because of my work as a therapist. I\u2019m trained to believe that behind even the most heinous behavior is some kind of reason or misguided impulse, usually born out of abuse and despair. But I\u2019m no saint. I find many people totally infuriating, ugly, stupid\u2026 you name it.<\/p>\n<p>When it comes to fictional characters, writing and reading about one dimensional do-gooders or demons is not interesting to me. I need my do-gooders to have seedy underbellies and the demons to have hidden halos. And I never use my patients\u2019 stories. Not even little details, as tempting as it can sometimes be.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>BKD:<\/strong> Was there a conscious effort with <em>DT<\/em> to get away from water and your surfer roots?<\/p>\n<p>You\u2019ve published a variety of books\u2014kids, young adult, and adult adult, realistic and magical realism, short stories and novels.<\/p>\n<p>And of course, you\u2019ve worn many hats in your professional and personal life as well.<\/p>\n<p>When you are done with a project, are you actively looking for a new project that is a departure from the previous?<\/p>\n<p><strong>AK:<\/strong> I definitely move towards complete departure after finishing a project. I can barely look at a manuscript once I\u2019ve finished writing it, gone through the editorial process with an editor, then reviewed proofs of the final version. I mean, enough already! I never read my books in book form once they\u2019re out in the world. Is that weird? I think it is probably weird.<\/p>\n<p>The positive spin on this impulse is that I like a literary challenge, or that I want to stretch my skills as a writer. But probably the more honest take on it is that I am an impatient, restless creature at heart. I need change. To stay in the same modality reeks of boredom to me. My trajectory has gone all over the map. Next up I might work on a graphic memoir thingie. The idea is exciting to me, so that\u2019s probably where I\u2019ll go. It might suck, but it will be fun.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As you might\u2019ve heard, Jonathan Franzen\u2019s back at it with his latest novel about suburban angst and ennui. Save your money. 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