{"id":15974,"date":"2020-03-16T05:00:12","date_gmt":"2020-03-16T09:00:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bullmensfiction.com\/?p=15974"},"modified":"2022-08-03T13:12:41","modified_gmt":"2022-08-03T17:12:41","slug":"wesley-browne","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/the-bull-interview\/wesley-browne\/","title":{"rendered":"Wesley Browne"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Knox Thompson thinks he\u2019s working a hustle, but it\u2019s a hustle that\u2019s working him. Trying to keep his pizza shop and parents afloat, he cleans out a backroom Kentucky poker game, only to get roped into dealing marijuana by the proprietor\u2014an arrangement Knox only halfheartedly resists.<\/p>\n<p>Knox\u2019s shop makes the perfect front for a marijuana operation, but his supplier turns out to be violent and calculating, and Knox ends up under his thumb. It\u2019s not long before more than just the pizza shop is at risk.\u00a0<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-15976\" src=\"http:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/hillbilluhustlecover-green-blurb-187x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"187\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/hillbilluhustlecover-green-blurb-187x300.jpg 187w, https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/hillbilluhustlecover-green-blurb-94x150.jpg 94w, https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/hillbilluhustlecover-green-blurb-56x90.jpg 56w, https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/hillbilluhustlecover-green-blurb-312x500.jpg 312w, https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/hillbilluhustlecover-green-blurb.jpg 490w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 187px) 100vw, 187px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>SHELDON LEE COMPTON<\/strong>: Tell me a little about how your recent novel <a href=\"https:\/\/wvupressonline.com\/node\/826\"><em>Hillbilly Hustle<\/em><\/a> came to be.<\/p>\n<p><strong>WESLEY BROWNE<\/strong>: My family has co-owned a pizza shop called Apollo Pizza in Richmond, Kentucky since 2012, but all told it\u2019s been around about forty years. Before we owned it, it was kind of an open secret in town that you could buy pot there. It struck me that a pizza shop that sells pot made a decent setting for a book. I was in a novel class at the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hindmansettlement.org\/event\/appalachian-writers-workshop\/\">Appalachian Writers\u2019 Workshop<\/a> in 2014 and we were supposed to develop a protagonist. That was where I started to work on the idea of this pizza shop owner. He changed a lot over the course of time and so did the book, but the seeds of Knox Thompson and <em>Hillbilly Hustle<\/em> were planted there. In the novel, Knox owns Porthos Pizza, a pizza shop in Richmond, Kentucky that bears an eerie resemblance to the old Apollo Pizza.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>SLC<\/strong>: It\u2019s especially clear you put a lot of thought into the book. It\u2019s the first true treatment of the contemporary landscape of marijuana in our fair commonwealth, to my thinking. As you\u2019ve told me before, that\u2019s an aspect of the drug culture in Kentucky that\u2019s not often put into focus. And Apollo Pizza\u2026man it\u2019s a legendary spot for regional literature, too. You host readings there, if I\u2019m remembering correctly. How important is it to you to support others who are out there writing and publishing, laying their hearts bare so to speak? The one time we had a chance to actually hang out, during the Lincoln Memorial University literary get-together back in 2015, I knew right away you were a generous member of the citizenry.<\/p>\n<p><strong>WB<\/strong>: We\u2019ve hosted readings at Apollo Pizza for I don\u2019t know how many years, at our Pages &amp; Pints Reading Series. It didn\u2019t actually start there. Before we brought it to Apollo, I hosted a series at the Richmond Area Arts Council for a couple years. Before that I was going to readings on campus at Eastern Kentucky University. Only six or eight people would show and I would be the only non-student who wasn\u2019t there for credit for a class. It seemed like a waste of the writers\u2019 talents but it was kind of the only game in town. I wanted to bring those writers to the community, and also the community to those writers. My wife was president of the Arts Council at the time and they didn\u2019t host any literary events, so the board was glad for someone to create programming.<\/p>\n<p>We drew decent audiences to most of those events, and after we took over operations at Apollo, we\u2019d go there afterward for dinner and drinks. Logistically, it became easier to just host the whole thing at Apollo, where I had the run of the facility and the schedule. Pages &amp; Pints was born.<\/p>\n<p>At its peak, we drew more than 60 people to standing room only readings a couple times. We\u2019ve had some really big names. As with anything, attendance has slacked off some with passing time, but we still draw 20-30 most nights we host a reading, which is nothing to sneeze at. Once a year we host one to fund a scholarship to the Appalachian Writers\u2019 Workshop. That\u2019s the next one coming up. It\u2019s the only one that\u2019s not free to attend.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>SLC<\/strong>: It\u2019s really interesting to learn the history behind the series. And if you\u2019re getting 30 people to a literary reading, you\u2019re basically performing magic. That\u2019s fantastic.<\/p>\n<p>So how have things been going with your debut novel <em>Hillbilly Hustle<\/em>? Do you have many events lined up\u2014readings, book signings, and so forth? Do you have plans to write another book? Also, if you would, talk some about how you became interested in writing and how you became connected with the Appalachian literature scene in general.<\/p>\n<p><strong>WB<\/strong>: This being my first book, the business baffles me a little. <em>Hillbilly Hustle\u2019s<\/em> official publication date is March 1, but tons of people had it in hand by late January. I knew it would go early, but not that early. It had something to do with stock issues at online sellers, and in trying to fix them their internal release dates got changed and it started shipping.<\/p>\n<p>Our first launch event isn\u2019t until February 27\u00a0at Country Boy Brewing. They brewed a special Hillbilly Hustle beer\u2014delicious, by the way. I\u2019ve been writing novels for 23 years and this is the first time I\u2019ve published one. I\u2019m also a pretty incorrigible extrovert. Because of that, I\u2019m ready to come flying out of the box. We have 25 appearances in seven states and I am here for it. I\u2019m sure it\u2019ll be a grind, but it\u2019s a grind I\u2019ve craved.<\/p>\n<p>I have a follow up to <em>Hillbilly Hustle<\/em> in progress called <em>Spoon<\/em>. It\u2019s the second of three books I have planned involving these characters. The antagonist from <em>Hillbilly Hustle<\/em>, Burl Spoon, is at the heart of the next.<\/p>\n<p>I moved to Kentucky in 1996, and soon after that I started to read regional authors. I didn\u2019t really come into the Appalachian literature scene until I attended the Appalachian Writers\u2019 Workshop in 2011. That was the first time I connected with the actual people who wrote what I was reading. My teachers that year were Silas House, Amy Greene, and Charles Dodd White. That changed everything. Not just what I started to learn, but the friends I made who were also writing. I attended the workshop as a student for a total of five years straight. I read so much Appalachian Lit there at one stretch that I had to make a conscious decision to branch out. I still do read a good bit of it, but I\u2019m reading more diversely these days.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>SLC<\/strong>: A couple things right off the bat. <em>Spoon<\/em> is a fantastic title for a novel and 25 appearances in seven states. My friend that seems nightmarish to me, but since you are looking forward to it I\u2019m incredibly happy for you. And it\u2019ll be great exposure for the novel. But seven states? Lordymercy.<\/p>\n<p>I didn\u2019t know you moved to Kentucky from elsewhere. That\u2019s great. We gained a good citizen of the commonwealth for sure. Whereabouts did you move from? Also, it sounds like you\u2019ve read and studied the literature enough to earn a platinum Kentucky Colonel title by this point. I\u2019ve been told the Appalachian Writers\u2019 Workshop is a fine get-together, and I know several of the folks you mentioned there. Good, good people all around. I can see how spending time there would have helped make you one helluva writer.<\/p>\n<p>Tell me a little about some of the novels you wrote leading up to the publication of <em>Hillbilly Hustle. <\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>WB<\/strong>: I came to Kentucky to go to law school at UK but I grew up in the suburbs of Detroit. My wife is from Eastern Kentucky and we were in all the same classes as 1Ls. She didn\u2019t want to move and I didn\u2019t want to leave, so it worked out. The first novel I wrote I started between my first and second year, and big shocker, it was an overly autobiographical novel about a guy at UK law school. Isn\u2019t everyone\u2019s first like that? It was real long, and real bad, but I put some words under my belt.<\/p>\n<p>The next was about a kid who graduates high school but doesn\u2019t go to college as a way of pissing off his doctor father who he blames for the breakup of his marriage to his mother. The kid lives in his mom\u2019s basement and just jacks around. It was better than the first, but it wasn\u2019t good enough.<\/p>\n<p>After that I wrote a tropey middle grade novel for my oldest son that I read to him a chapter at a time as I went. Honestly, I still think that one\u2019s pretty good. I like writing children\u2019s books. I have this gross kids book manuscript that both my sister and David Joy liked better than <em>Hillbilly Hustle<\/em>. I\u2019ve written some humor pieces that appeared on the McSweeney\u2019s website, and it\u2019s more in line with that. I\u2019ve promised my sister that when the smoke clears I\u2019ll dust that one off and see if I can do something with it. I\u2019m going to need a pseudonym or something because it\u2019s bananas. It\u2019s called <em>The Booger Billionaire<\/em>. You know, highbrow stuff.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>SLC<\/strong>: It\u2019s taken a certain talent to write children\u2019s books. <em>The Booger Billionaire<\/em> sounds great. I hope it gets out there someday soon.<\/p>\n<p>Before I get into my next question I\u2019m going to include a couple links to some work of yours. The McSweeney\u2019s piece and a fine column of yours from <em>The Richmond Register<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.mcsweeneys.net\/articles\/the-reality-you-must-accept-upon-setting-foot-in-my-chipotle\">The Reality You Must Accept Upon Setting Foot In My Chipotle @ McSweeney\u2019s<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.richmondregister.com\/news\/lifestyles\/a-week-among-appalachian-writers\/article_564be86e-71bc-5247-b6f5-57cf0d4e99e8.html\">A Week Among Appalachian Writers @ The Richmond Register<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Has your work as a lawyer informed your writing very much? Or is your work separate from your writing? And related, what does your writing schedule look like?<\/p>\n<p><strong>WB<\/strong>: I think being a lawyer has informed my writing a lot, but not so much the legal aspects. I deal with people in awkward situations, crisis situations, bad situations of their own making, all the time, so I\u2019ve learned a lot about human nature. I\u2019ve also learned a lot about the way people lead their lives when they hope nobody\u2019s looking. I represent people who break the law. They tell me about it because it\u2019s privileged. I\u2019ve also heard some absolutely amazing stuff on drug-buy tapes. I never write about my clients, but I write a lot about people who act like my clients. I\u2019m not too interested in writing extensively about the legal system, honestly, but I slip in bits and pieces.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m a late night writer so my schedule involves a lot of napping to make up for that lost sleep. It drives my wife a little crazy sometimes, but I relish a good mid-afternoon or early evening nap that fuels my after midnight writing binge. I write a lot better when the house is quiet and it\u2019s just me and the cat and dog. That\u2019s the sweet spot.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>SLC<\/strong>: Okay so give me five books you\u2019ve read recently that all serious readers need to go get right now. What makes them special?<\/p>\n<p><strong>WB<\/strong>: I\u2019m not someone who stays on top of reading the newest thing out, so my list might be kind of stale, but here goes.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s old and well known, but I just read Ishmael Beah\u2019s <em>A Long Way Gone<\/em> about his experience as a child soldier during the civil war in Sierra Leone. It\u2019s horrifying and captivating at the same time. I\u2019d like my sons to read it so they can better understand the privilege they take for granted, and what can happen when the people of a nation become too divided. I think all Americans should read it for the same reason.<\/p>\n<p>I really loved Hannah Pittard\u2019s novel <em>Visible Empire<\/em> which is based on a 1962 Air France Flight that crashed killing over a hundred of Atlanta\u2019s most prominent citizens. She tells the imagined stories of a handful of the passengers and the people they left behind. Her dialogue is really sharp in all her books and I like the way she finds notes of levity in tragedy.<\/p>\n<p>I read Frank Bill\u2019s books <em>The Savage<\/em> and <em>Donnybrook<\/em> out of order. I couldn\u2019t shake <em>Donnybrook<\/em> for like a week after I read it. That book was adapted to a movie for a reason. Its action, and darkness, and characters stick to your ribs.<\/p>\n<p>I sat on a copy of Carter Sickels\u2019 <em>The Evening Hour<\/em> for the longest time but didn\u2019t crack it. That was during my phase when I was trying to slow down on Appalachian lit, but I kept hearing how good it was. I finally got to it and the writing and story made me keep picking it up. I flew through it. It was in some ways similar to other books I\u2019ve read, but the feel was different.\u00a0 The characters didn\u2019t fall into the same patterns so many of them do in small town rural books. It was both familiar and refreshing.<\/p>\n<p>I was pleasantly surprised by Jeff Tweedy\u2019s memoir <em>Let\u2019s Go (So We Can Get Back). <\/em>It\u2019s an honest and sometimes self-deprecating story of how he and his band Wilco came up. He\u2019s a funny but also no bullshit kind of guy. His anecdotes about the business are all entertaining and he\u2019s not shy about letting you in on the details of his personal life\u2014he\u2019s a pretty staunch family man. You don\u2019t have to be a fan of the band to dig it, but it doesn\u2019t hurt.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>SLC<\/strong>: And now name drop five writers you think are underrated and not well-known enough considering their talent. Tell me a little something about them, about their work. Let me know where I can find their books.<\/p>\n<p><strong>WB<\/strong>: Robert Gipe is an author, illustrator, playwright, producer, and retired community college professor. He\u2019s beloved in Appalachian Kentucky but he should be read more widely. He illustrated his novels\u2014<em>Trampoline<\/em> and <em>Weedeater<\/em>\u2014in a way that I don\u2019t think anyone has before him. They aren\u2019t graphic novels, they just have line drawings with text occasionally embedded in the body of the pages. If it was just a gimmick, that\u2019d be one thing, but the stories are great. His hardscrabble Eastern Kentucky characters are tragic and hilarious. His books are published by Ohio University Press and are widely available.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s crazy to say someone who wrote three books that have been turned into movies is underrated, and maybe I\u2019m crazy, but I still believe Walter Tevis is underappreciated. He passed away in 1984 and is buried up the hill from our pizza shop. Very few people in town even know who he is or what he wrote. He\u2019s best known for <em>The Hustler<\/em>, <em>The Color of Money<\/em>, and <em>The Man Who Fell to Earth<\/em>, but my favorite novel of his is actually <em>The Queen\u2019s Gambit<\/em>. It\u2019s about a young Kentucky orphan named Beth Harmon who\u2019s a chess prodigy. The way Tevis wrote chess scenes heavily influenced how I wrote the poker scene in <em>Hillbilly Hustle<\/em>. I just don\u2019t feel like he\u2019s regarded as the master that he was, but maybe he\u2019ll get his due posthumously. Netflix is adapting <em>The Queen\u2019s Gambit<\/em> to a mini-series. That means four of his six novels will have made it to the screen.<\/p>\n<p>I love Crystal Wilkinson\u2019s two story collections, <em>Blackberries, Blackberries<\/em> and <em>Water Street<\/em>, but her award-winning debut novel <em>Birds of Opulence <\/em>from University Press of Kentucky was, to me, one step further. She tells the stories of people I\u2019m not sure a lot of the world realize exist: black families in rural Kentucky. Her writing is beautifully nuanced but also captivating. I recommend everything she\u2019s written.<\/p>\n<p>Ed McClanahan is one of my writing heroes and his novel <em>The Natural Man<\/em> is among my all-time favorites. He was one of Ken Kesey\u2019s Merry Pranksters, a Stegner fellow, and a member of Kentucky\u2019s fab five writers, which also include Gurney Norman, Wendell Berry, Bobbie Ann Mason, and James Baker Hall. He\u2019s also written a bunch of short stories and essays that you can find in collections that feature his signature linguistic gymnastics, including a new one called <em>Not Even Immortality Lasts Forever<\/em>. Still, <em>The Natural Man<\/em> is still his one and only published novel. Ed just can\u2019t help being funny, and although his characters are often far from being saints, and some of this tales lean a little crass, there\u2019s always a layer of sweetness about everything he writes. His novel came out over 35 years ago, so it gets overlooked these days, but <em>The Natural Man<\/em> is still in print from Gnomon Press and easily obtainable. People should obtain it.<\/p>\n<p>Carrie Mullins is one of the best writers I know. Her debut novel <em>Night Garden<\/em> came out in 2016 from Old Cove Press. It\u2019s about a Kentucky teenager whose older brother dies just before starting college, leading to her family\u2019s unraveling, and her making some real bad choices. It\u2019s a great book. Carrie\u2019s work-in-progress is a big departure. She\u2019s traveled to Croatia to research her next novel about a war criminal turned nursing home aid hiding from her crimes in the United States. It\u2019s loosely based on a true story. The completed chapters promise something special. Whenever she emerges with her new work, folks will want to snap it up.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>SLC<\/strong>: Is there anything you\u2019d like to talk about I haven\u2019t thought to ask?<\/p>\n<p><strong>WB<\/strong>: I don\u2019t know if clues give it away, but you have more than a passing familiarity with <em>Hillbilly Hustle<\/em>. Because it\u2019s a university press book, it had to be peer reviewed. As we both know, you and Jesse Donaldson we\u2019re the authors assigned to peer review it by West Virginia University Press. That was an interesting process because you all agreed on a lot, but also disagreed on some major points, which meant I had to sort that out.<\/p>\n<p>One character who drew some attention in peer review was Darla, a female tattoo artist who I didn\u2019t quite have right. To get her in order, I turned to my friend, Leah Hampton, whose forthcoming debut story collection <em>F*ckface<\/em> is getting all kinds of buzz. Leah helped me work through some issues I was having, and the character wound up much better for it. Even though Leah helped me, the revision of that character was triggered by the peer review notes I got from you and Jesse.<\/p>\n<p>What I\u2019m getting at is, this novel was an extremely collaborative effort. I could go on for pages about the many people who touched <em>Hillbilly Hustle<\/em> and improved it. I can\u2019t imagine how it would\u2019ve come out without you all. That was something that really made an impression on me. How much help it took, even after I thought it was done. You all couldn\u2019t make the fixes for me, but you told me what needed fixing, and it was up to me to do it. Some fiction writers don\u2019t like the peer review process. They believe it\u2019s tailored more for scholarly books, and shouldn\u2019t be applied to novels and stories. For me, it worked very well. I would encourage other writers going through that process to embrace it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>SLC<\/strong>: It was my pleasure and privilege to have a chance to offer input on it, Wes. Thanks for talking with me and best of luck with the book events. I hope as many people as possible read <em>Hillbilly Hustle<\/em>. It\u2019s a fine debut novel, my friend.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I deal with people in awkward situations, crisis situations, bad situations of their own making, all the time, so I\u2019ve learned a lot about human nature. 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