{"id":14899,"date":"2018-11-08T17:50:28","date_gmt":"2018-11-08T22:50:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bullmensfiction.com\/?p=14899"},"modified":"2022-08-03T13:13:31","modified_gmt":"2022-08-03T17:13:31","slug":"tom-pitts","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/the-bull-interview\/tom-pitts\/","title":{"rendered":"Tom Pitts"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Throw out everything you know about crime fiction. Tom Pitts, author of\u00a0<em>Hustle<\/em>\u00a0and\u00a0<em>American Static<\/em>, returns with a plot stickier than an ounce of Humboldt County\u2019s finest.\u00a0<em>101<\/em>\u00a0is typical Tom Pitts, the kind of novel that proves he\u2019ll forever and ever have followers, trailing behind him begging for one more hit.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: right;\">\u2014Eryk Pruitt, author of\u00a0<em>What We Reckon<\/em><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Frank Reardon:<\/strong> \u00a0Hello, Tom. Let&#8217;s dig right in. When did you start writing, or taking it seriously? Did you always write crime fiction?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Tom Pitts:<\/strong> True story: I began writing to learn how to type. Back in the 90s my mind was too unglued to sit still and use one of those early typing programs, so I decided I was going to write a book instead. I was really into true crime at the time and I thought I\u2019d write the story of the North Beach Mafia\u2014as little as I knew about it. When the real work got too heavy and the FBI stonewalled my research, I gave up and started writing a fictional novel. Sort of. I lugged that draft around with me for years. Hard years. It was a little gem I\u2019d tinker with but never made any serious progress. Many years later, when I was off the junk, Joe Clifford dragged my ass to a reading and made me get behind the mike. I think that was around 2010. That\u2019s when it really took hold and I decided to get serious.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>FR:<\/strong> Do other art mediums interest, inspire you, to write the way you do?<\/p>\n<p><strong>TP:<\/strong> Way back 80s, I was in a rock \u2018n\u2019 roll band. That\u2019s what drew me to San Francisco in the first place. Even then, as a songwriter, I was still interested in the bottom rung, the losers and the ne\u2019er-do-wells. I think that\u2019s what appeals to me in art as well. I much prefer an old black and white picture than a cubist\u2019s interpretation.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>FR:<\/strong> I remember we had a conversation on Facebook about Denis Johnson. Although his books do have crime or can be dark, he isn&#8217;t known for crime fiction. What about crime fiction interests you to want to write it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>TP:<\/strong> There\u2019re a lot of heavy hitters that aren\u2019t considered crime writers, but fit the criteria. Cormac McCarthy is another. I think it\u2019s the grit that pulls me in. Something down to earth, but still has the elements of drama. I\u2019m more of a John Cassevettes guy than a Spielberg guy, you know? Always have been. I\u2019m the guy watching the superhero movie saying, that could never happen. We talked about Willie Vlautin too. He\u2019s another writer with both feet on the ground. Not necessarily crime, per se, but he\u2019s got that grit that I love.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>FR:<\/strong> All of your novels (including the new one) have been published with <a href=\"https:\/\/downandoutbooks.com\/\">Down &amp; Out Books<\/a>, as well as one with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shotgunhoney.com\/\">Shotgun Honey<\/a>. Granted all writers want to make a larger stack of cash for their work, also larger distribution, etc. but I have always been a fan of the indie presses. What do you like about being able to publish your books with heavy hitter indie presses like Down&amp;Out and Shotgun Honey?<\/p>\n<p><strong>TP:<\/strong> Down &amp; Out has been good to me. After a reading in Raleigh, Eric made me an offer to re-release <em>Hustle,<\/em> which was out with <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/snubnosepress?lang=en\">Snubnose Press<\/a> at the time. It was done over a handshake. He just wanted me to dip my toe in the water, to see if I wanted to release my next one with \u2018em. They\u2019re up-front, honest, and they give me a lot of control. I\u2019m not sure I\u2019d get the attention I do if I was with a big press.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/cover-pitts-101-front.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-14914 size-medium alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/cover-pitts-101-front-189x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"189\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/cover-pitts-101-front-189x300.jpg 189w, https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/cover-pitts-101-front-94x150.jpg 94w, https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/cover-pitts-101-front-768x1220.jpg 768w, https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/cover-pitts-101-front-645x1024.jpg 645w, https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/cover-pitts-101-front-57x90.jpg 57w, https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/cover-pitts-101-front-315x500.jpg 315w, https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/cover-pitts-101-front-567x900.jpg 567w, https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-content\/uploads\/cover-pitts-101-front.jpg 1653w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 189px) 100vw, 189px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>FR:<\/strong> I read <em>101<\/em> and I loved it. You have a voice I think that needs to be better circulated. Your work is dark, tough, also entertaining. Tell me a little about <em>101<\/em>, how did the story come to you?<\/p>\n<p><strong>TP:<\/strong> Thank you! From your lips to God\u2019s ears. My oldest son was working for a friend of mine up in the hills of Humboldt, so I had a reason to go up a visit a few times. I knew I wanted to write about the place. It\u2019s the last place in California that\u2019s still a little like the wild west. At first I thought the book was going to be about water. Water is like currency up there. I kept hearing stories of water theft, like someone showing up in the night and emptying the rooftop reservoir tank at the local school, guys waking up to find their pond had been drained, or creek rerouted. Then I saw a movie trailer about some kid going to visit his father who turned out to be a criminal. Now, the kid and his mentor in my book are not related, and I never saw the movie and can\u2019t remember its name or who was in it, but that was it, that was when it clicked.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>FR:<\/strong> A lot of readers, myself included, love a good character. You have some real cool characters in your work. They&#8217;re not wooden. They have a pulse and they make choices, whether good or bad, they develop, turn, and grow. I admire that kind of skill. Without giving away the book tell us about Jerry and Vic. Where did they come from? Who are they?<\/p>\n<p><strong>TP:<\/strong> Jerry, the kid, was easy. He\u2019s an asshole, a selfish jerk in his twenties. The kind of guy with some shallow charm, but given some time will fuck anything up. We all had a little bit of Jerry in us in our twenties. But Vic was different. I\u2019ve written the cold calculating bad guys before, but I wanted Vic to have a moral compass, a vulnerability. Even though he\u2019s kind of a villain, he\u2019s also a hero. He was good man to begin with, but the trauma he and Jerry\u2019s mother endured forced him to become something else. He\u2019s jaded, and worn, but he\u2019s still got that cowboy core, the code. We all <em>want <\/em>to have a little of Vic in us when the shit hits the fan.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>FR:<\/strong> Talk a little bit about the Emerald Triangle?<\/p>\n<p><strong>TP:<\/strong> The Emerald Triangle is made up of three adjoining counties in Northern California.<span style=\"color: #333333; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span>Mendocino, Trinity, and Humboldt. They\u2019ve always been the spot for weed in the west. Kind of like how Napa Valley or certain regions of France are known for wine. Because I\u2019m an old punk rock guy, I\u2019ve always known people who\u2019ve made their living growing. But, with the onset of medical marijuana, then legalized weed, things up in the Emerald Triangle began to shift, morph. At first it was an explosion of activity, but now it\u2019s over-expanded, over regulated, and glutted out. Big money is coming to squeeze out the mom and pop operations. People thought it\u2019d be big tobacco or other corporate interests, but so far, it\u2019s just money. A lot of it is tech money. That\u2019s why it was important for me to set 101 on the cusp of legalization, when the outlaws were scrambling for what chips were left on the table.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>FR:<\/strong> We all have our favorite authors. Who are five of your favorite authors of all time? Also, give us three writers (published or unpublished) who you believe we should be paying attention to?<\/p>\n<p><strong>TP:<\/strong> Hmmn, that\u2019s a tough question because our tastes shift so much as years go by. I\u2019ll always love Cormac McCarthy and Denis Johnson. Reading Steinbeck taught me a lot about being direct with your language. Bukowski made me realize that life is perfectly interesting, even when it\u2019s fucked up and boring. And Elmore Leonard. He taught be to put all that literary shit aside and just write the damn story.<\/p>\n<p>As for the three writers:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/bullmensfiction.com\/the-bull-interview\/joe-clifford\/\">Joe Clifford<\/a>, his best stuff has yet to hit the shelves, trust me. Jordan Harper, because there\u2019s a beautiful authenticity to his work. And Johnny Shaw because he\u2019s lean, straightforward, funny, and consistent as hell. He\u2019s like a hipper Elmore Leonard.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>FR:<\/strong> When you have your story, characters, ready to go; what&#8217;s your process like?<\/p>\n<p><strong>TP:<\/strong> It really only starts with the characters. If I overthink the story too much, I\u2019ll get lost trying to follow it. If the characters feel right, then I try to let the story unfold around them. That way it leaves me a lot of freedom to change direction or add depth. And the process is one scene at a time. If I\u2019m on a roll I\u2019ll get more than one in a sitting, but it\u2019s usually just one. Then I have to mull over what happens next. Sometimes it\u2019s a couple hours, sometimes it\u2019s a couple days.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>FR:<\/strong> After the release of <em>101<\/em>\u00a0what&#8217;s next for Tom Pitts? Any new words in the work?<\/p>\n<p><strong>TP:<\/strong> I have a novel called <em>Coldwater<\/em> that\u2019ll probably be out winter 2020. It\u2019s a story about a couple who move to the Sacramento burbs. There\u2019s an empty house across the street from their place and it\u2019s infested with squatters, or at least they think they\u2019re squatters. Who they are and what they\u2019re doing is much darker. It\u2019s my version of a suburban horror story, you know, one that could actually happen.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>FR:<\/strong> Bonus Question: If stranded in a post-apocalyptic world with no other humans and you had a choice between a lifetime supply of birthday cake or a lifetime supply of pie, which one would you go with?<\/p>\n<p><strong>TP:<\/strong> Pie, and a savory pie at that. Nobody can live off birthday cake, but in a post-apocalyptic world an endless supply of hardy meat pies would be worth more than gold.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; Throw out everything you know about crime fiction. Tom Pitts, author of\u00a0Hustle\u00a0and\u00a0American Static, returns with a plot stickier than an ounce of Humboldt County\u2019s finest.\u00a0101\u00a0is typical Tom Pitts, the kind of novel that proves he\u2019ll forever and ever have followers, trailing behind him begging for one more hit. \u2014Eryk Pruitt, author of\u00a0What We Reckon [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":182,"featured_media":14912,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[232],"tags":[1801,1108,1799,1549,1559,1655,1553,1637,1574,1803,1797,1798,1802,1796,1800,1795,1804],"class_list":["post-14899","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-the-bull-interview","tag-101-by-tom-pitts","tag-bukowski","tag-coldwater","tag-cormac-mccarthy","tag-denis-johnson","tag-down-and-out-books","tag-elmore-leonard","tag-frank-reardon","tag-joe-clifford","tag-john-cassevettes","tag-johnny-shaw","tag-jordan-harper","tag-shotgun-honey","tag-steinbeck","tag-the-emerald-triangle","tag-tom-pitts","tag-willie-vlautin","writer-frank-reardon"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14899","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/182"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=14899"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14899\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":14942,"href":"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14899\/revisions\/14942"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/14912"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=14899"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=14899"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mrbullbull.com\/newbull\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=14899"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}